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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:49:00 -
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if the changes stay the way they are, the paladin will annihilate the nightmare as mission platform. the tracking advantage is negated by a single scripted tracking comp and the vast range advantage, especially with bastion on means that you pretty much can hit anything with INMF, i.e. 1100 applied dps out to lock range.
do not waste a slot on a mjd. there is no point in wasting time on jumping anyway, just hit bastion and start melting things. you do not need to be concerned about tanking. I am currently running a 5slot shield tanked nightmare with a pith a-type SMALL booster and do not have to warp out of any mission. with bastion being what it is, you will probably get away with a 3slot armor tank, putting the rest into damage (and a MWD where needed).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1491
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Posted - 2013.10.14 13:55:00 -
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wow, i feel like a rockstar. guess i have to go do some coke and demolish a hotel room now...
to your points: there are only a few missions i can recall where you have to travel more than 30km total. considering how even a nightmare should go 700ish m/s with MWD, flying those 30km while you are mopping up the last (and farthest away) rats should be an OK tactic in theory. for those missions where the gates are 40km or more away (the score, massive attack and others which i'm forgetting), an MJD may be the right way to go if you have the presence of mind to eyeball the right angle to jump. on the other hand, most of them suck balls ISK wise, so if you have the faction standings, you should probably just decline them.
as for tracking. i can only talk from personal experience here, but on the nightmare, i never switch more than one TC to tracking unless i fail at target selection. when you are dropped right into rats, you have no problem, as they will slowboat away from you at 0 transversal until they reach their orbit distance. in all but a very select few missions, you should be able to cut down all cruiser sized rats while they are flying towards you or away from you and then kill the battleships (which you should be able to hit even in orbit). for particularly hairy situations, there is still gleam.
as for the optimal question, i was mostly guesstimating. my nightmare has something like 48k optimal with two TCs, which means a paladin 37.% bonus, 25% bonus from bastion and another TC instead of a TE should go to something like 80-85km optimal. it's not quite lock range yet but considering how your effective DPS are 80% of paper at optimal + 0.5*fallooff, it is probably safe to assume that you will not ever have to switch to lower damage crystals, especially with being immune to TDs.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1493
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Posted - 2013.10.15 06:00:00 -
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if bastion really has diminishing returns with other range mods, it is much less useful than i thought. in fact, some officer tracking computers probably give you a better projection bonus overall. the only option i see to get some more out of it is then to avoid some of the stacking penalties by fitting TPs (although i hate messing with them). the optimal "stand still and melt" fit would probably have bastion, one TE, two TCs and two painters.
on a side note, i find the painter buff amusing: "waiting 10 seconds for the painter cycle to finish is annoying, so we removed it changed it to 5 seconds, which is equally annoying."
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1493
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Posted - 2013.10.15 07:38:00 -
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bastion 2.0 was a terrible idea. with 'standard' T2 resists, the best mission ship for amarr space would be a 1slot armor tanked vargur and the paladin would be useful... nowhere.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1493
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Posted - 2013.10.16 04:56:00 -
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@The Spod: the numbers are interesting to be sure. can you give me the tracking numbers for tachs with inmf vs pulses with conflag? i'm too lazy to check myself.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1493
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Posted - 2013.10.16 19:14:00 -
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since the nerf, TEs are a bad option for mission fits. so much so that people switched to armor tanked machariels. thus, an armor tank is just what the doctor prescribed for amarr space.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1496
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:23:00 -
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my feeling is that after all is said and done, tachs are still better suited for the job. with pulses, you have to settle on 800ish dps for anything outside ~35km, whereas tachs will get you your guaranteed 1100 across 90% of missions. I'll have to see how tracking feels with gleam and TC script switcheroo.
also, someone less lazy than me could take a look at how the diggerence in damage composition between scorch and INMF affects real applied dps against the most common mission targets (sansha/BR battleships, mercenaries, EoM etc.).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1509
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:35:00 -
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i do not get why people are so excited about MJDs. sure, it's nice to have on an untanked sentry dominix, but why would you waste time and damage application on a hull that could easily tank the damage while applying four-digit dps from up close?
it's like wearing a bike helmet all day when you don't even have a bike.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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